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Rand Fishkin on inbound marketing

2 May 2012 09:483 comments1 BizLike
Rand Fishkin is regarded by many as a legend in the field of inbound marketing. Here he is interviewed by Dewaldt Huysamen* to get some Fishkin insights for you on the subject - and more.
What exactly does the term inbound marketing relate to for those marketers that do not understand the term's meaning?
Inbound marketing refers to investments that earn the attention of your customers, rather than buying it. It's a convenient, efficient way to say "content marketing + search, social, community, analytics and CRO."


Rand Fishkin is the CEO & co-founder of SEOmoz, a software startup based in Seattle, WA. He's also a published author, occasional tweeter, weary traveler and intermittent speaker at events around the world on search, technology, startups and Internet marketing.
The power of inbound marketing lies in its ability to reduce the cost of customer acquisition and build upon itself organically. A dollar spent on advertising rarely results in a win greater than the singular attention that dollar drives. But an hour spent earning attention, awareness and trust from your potential target audience (and those who influence them) may come back to you in dozens of amazing ways.

I love inbound marketing because it fits with my philosophy about how I want to reach an audience and how people make decisions in 2012. I love the feeling of making a difference and creating real, lasting value.

How does SEOmoz.org use the different inbound marketing segments?
We're pretty heavy users of every inbound channel available. We produce a ton of content, have built a really exciting community, invest in search, social media, and email marketing. In addition, we follow these up with quite a bit of CRO and analytics to measure and improve our efforts.

I think it's precisely because we've had so much success and fun with these channels that we believe in helping others achieve them.

Where do you see Google investing most of their time and money in the next three years?
Google+ is a huge one, but I think they're also investing heavily in hardware and operations to streamline the process of improvements to the data they can crunch and the quality of indices/algorithmic components they can launch. Even at Google's scale, there are plenty of efforts I've heard about inside the company that get turned down due to need for computing/engineering resources (both people and hardware).

What are your major plans for Opensiteexplorer.org updates and new features?
The first is one launching very soon - our much larger index. We're moving from about 50 billion URLs to about150 billion URLs. We've seen some big challenges processing data this large, so we may go down again to get faster indices before we can do the work to get big again.

After that, we're moving from four-week freshness to two-week updates. We're also adding a spam score that we hope can correlate well with what we've seen Google penalising/banning. We're also adding more features on date tracking, crawling HTTPS and lots more - stay tuned! :-)


Dewaldt Huysamen is a qualified Google guru and is head of R&D at Etraffic.
What is the biggest factor according to you that produces the best ROI for any online business?
When it comes to marketing, investing in reducing your cost of customer acquisition is huge. It means you can better scale that function long term and build a true competitive advantage. That's why I love inbound marketing channels - they are dramatically more powerful in lowering COCA than investing in paid channels, branding plays or inside sales.

Do you think Facebook's new search engine plans can be threatening towards Google?
Based on what I've seen and heard, there are no Facebook plans to get into broader web search in the near term. I think that's a smart move on their part - they need to focus on their core business for a long time before they should be trying to take such a huge, non-culturally-matching step into other territory. I'd see them launching a mobile phone or platform before they get into web search.

Would you say Link Juice is dead, unless it is from authorship friendly sites?

No - certainly not yet (and probably not for a long time to come). Sadly, a lot of very spammy, very crappy links still work in the short term. On the plus side, high-quality links from editorial sources still provide a ton of long-term value (both through their impact on SEO and the direct traffic/branding value they create).

Still, we're much closer to a world where fewer links count and authority/editorial input are what matter than we have been in the last decade.

If you had eighteen million dollars in what would you invest right now?
Hiring, new office space, a bigger, fresher web index, probably some strategic acquisitions and more content, inbound and yes, even some paid marketing efforts.

Is it true you were in deep debt? If so how did you get out?
It's true. I described it in some depth here: http://randfishkin.com/blog/103/just-keep-going. Basically, we got out by getting good at SEO, retaining some valuable clients (back in our consulting days) and only paying fractions of what we owed back to the credit card and loan companies.

Any last words for new marketers exploring the horizon of inbound marketing?
Think long term. If you need results tomorrow, Inbound can rarely help you unless you've already built a community, a trusted site, a following through social media and authority with the engines. To be truly successful at inbound, you have to be willing to sacrifice smaller short term wins for longer-term, bigger ones. Of course, that's true in all of life :-)

*Dewaldt Huysamen has over five years of ongoing experience when it comes to inbound & paid marketing (SEO - SEM) and is a qualified Google guru. He is head of R&D, gives in-house training and is a SEO expert over at Etraffic. His portfolio contains clients paying anything from R3500-R20 000 per month. Follow him on Twitter @dewaldt_h.
 
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Anton Koekemoer
Very nice interview you had with Rand from SEOmoz. I believe "inbound marketing" is worth gold if you know how it works, and how you can benefit from it. Posted on 2 May 2012 13:41
Andy Xhignesse
Hi Dewaldt (and Rand) Thanks for this great post!

It's critical that business today understand the long term value that inbound marketing delivers. One thing I'd like to clarify that you've talked about here but haven't really made clear is how the value equation for inbound marketing reverses the conventional marketing spend model. In traditional spends (TV, radio, print etc.) you create a campaign, make a buy and get some results, at least hopefully you do! When the money runs out, the campaign stops and the benefit for the most part does as well. Inbound marketing turns this upside down. You make your investment and once you deploy it BEGINS to deliver results and will continue doing so long into the future! There are companies that I'm aware of that created content and related campaigns 4 years ago that continue to drive business growth today. To me that's remarkable, isn't that what any business would want?

If companies are overlooking inbound marketing as part of their modern marketing mix, they're doing so at their own peril...and it could be very perilous!

Thanks again for this great post, in some ways it speaks to an "Inbound Marketer's Rant" (http://bit.ly/IWAh3K) that we posted some time ago, if reader's want a little tongue in cheek view of inbound marketing they might enjoy the read. Posted on 2 May 2012 14:22
geoff crewe-brown
Inbound marketing sounds pretty interesting, my question is: What are the steps that one has to take to set up a proper campaign that will assist in getting inbound marketing working?
Reading between the lines, I'm assuming one needs to write original, thought (and interest) provoking content, establish social networks etc? Posted on 3 May 2012 08:56
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