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Potential criminal charges in Media24 scandal

4 Oct 2007 08:0963 commentsBizLike
Nine Media24 magazines division employees are facing disciplinary action and potential criminal charges over the “deliberate manipulation” of circulation figures at five Touchline Media titles and seven Women's Magazine Division titles. It has been confirmed that Touchline Media founder and MD, Marc Blachowitz, who suddenly resigned last week in the midst of the scandal, is one of the nine being investigated. Media agencies are now also taking legal advice.

Media24 group MD Hein Brand and Media24 Magazines CEO Patricia Scholtemeyer
Media24 group MD Hein Brand and Media24 Magazines CEO Patricia Scholtemeyer told a press conference yesterday, to which mainstream and trade media as well as industry stakeholders were invited, that they were horrified at the level of the trail of deception and dishonesty which has led to 12 leading magazine brands being suspended from the Audit Bureau of Circulations and millions of rands in compensation claims from advertisers.

In a fairly frank and direct press conference, Media24, represented by Brand and Scholtemeyer, promised to provide a full and transparent account of the irregularities and measures to be taken to ensure that the “rot” was rooted out of the organisation for good.

Blachowitz and two senior Touchline executives resigned last week and will face disciplinary action and the other six individuals from the Women's Magazine Division implicated have all been suspended. Brand was emphatic that all would be dismissed summarily if found guilty in the internal procedures and if fraud were found to be committed, all or some would potentially also face criminal prosecution.

The ABC announced yesterday, Wednesday, 3 October 2007, that audit circulation certificates for the five Touchline titles had also been withdrawn and their membership of the ABC suspended. The Media24 magazines affected from both divisions are: Men's Health, Sports Illustrated, Shape, Wisden Cricketer, Kick Off, FairLady, Sarie, True Love, Leef, InStyle SA, True Love Babe and True Love Bride.

'Horrified'

Brand said: “Media24 is horrified and appalled that irregularities regarding circulation figures took place in two of our 12 magazine divisions. The actions of a few people have damaged the reputation of Media24.

“We are encouraged by the fact that the majority of our magazine business entities have been cleared by the forensic audit. We are reassured that our people subscribe to our fundamental values of integrity, honesty and transparency on which the company is built.”

Brand went on: “We appreciate the role of the ABC in identifying the problem and alerting us to it. It is clear that the ABC auditing system works and Media24 can attest to this to the benefit of the print industry.” He added that he did not think that the problem detected within Media24 circulation departments was industry-wide in nature.

ABC re-audit

The rest of the Media24 magazines in the other 10 divisions have been given a clean bill of health by ENS Forensic auditors appointed by Media24 and will remain in the Magazine Publishing Association of South Africa (MPASA) Pica Awards due to take place early next month. The ABC has, however, already ordered a re-audit of all Media24's magazines.

Both Brand and Scholtemeyer were at pains to point out that no editorial staff were involved in the debacle. Scholtemeyer stated outright that there had been a deliberate manipulation of figures by individuals, not sanctioned by management, and that no editorial staff were involved. “We were shocked and horrified… this was not an administrative error... it was downright dishonesty.”

Explained Brand: “The irregularities are as a result of collusion amongst a few dishonest individuals which went undetected by the internal and external audits. My heart bleeds for the editors, particularly during the process. I'm very very happy to say that no editorial staff or editors have been involved in the illegal process… we are grateful to the ABC for picking up the irregularities… that's the really brutal story of these irregularities.”

Brand also told Bizcommunity.com that the Media24 Board was fully supportive of Scholtemeyer. Scholtemeyer, who only a month ago was crowned Vodacom Media Woman of the Year, will hear next week if the MPASA board will continue to support her as MPASA chair and Pica Awards chair for the remainder of the year.

Scholtemeyer, who was clearly relieved that the press conference ordeal was over yesterday, agreed that she had seen “the best of times and the worst of times” this year.

In the detailed presentation, which included a report back from the forensic auditors, Brand created context, emphasising that Media24 was a group with a turnover of R6 billion per annum and included media interests across various channels. The magazine division alone sold more than 5.9 million magazines read by more than 8.7 million people annually, many of them leading brands in their categories and award-winning titles.

Outrage

Compensation to advertisers from Media24 will run to millions of rands, Brand confirmed, also denying that any titles would be closed or staff retrenched despite obvious financial losses. But the cost to the brand could be far higher in the long term as the marketplace learns that the irregularities went deeper and involved more leading brands. Media directors and advertisers are outraged and prepared to play hardball.

“How can I put this subtly… there's a huge amount of shit about to break,” said industry doyen The Media Shop's Harry Herber, speaking plainly. “It's all very well to come clean, but the fact that it happened at all, calls into question how it could have happened in the first place? It all comes down to trust. There's a huge amount of advertising placed based on trust.

“Compensation is not the issue, it goes far deeper. There will be major fallout… fraud is a very dirty word.”

Herber also raised the question as to what was the motivation of the individuals involved. “What was the gain here? The circulation guy stands to gain so little. It just doesn't make sense.”

Legal action

Herber emphasised that The Media Shop would take a very hard line with Media24 on this issue and with the magazine publishing industry in general. “A non-negotiable attitude is required from the industry over this. It's about business, not sympathy or empathy. I'm representing my client's interests.” He also confirmed that Media Shop would be calling in its board over the issue and taking legal advice.

Some media commentators such as Chris Brewer, who was present at the press conference yesterday, believe that Media24 have made “one of the smartest decisions a publisher could ever make” in coming clean and addressing the issue so directly to put a stop to the rumour-mongering in the industry: “Some politicians could take lessons,” he said – staff within Media24 speak of the pressures of targets, meeting circulation objectives and “impossible targets” which could have created fertile ground for fraud to emerge.

Brand said he honestly didn't know what led to the Touchline cover up, as some of the percentages were not all that large. The women's magazine fraud was tracked back to one individual who colluded with a distribution company to fake bulk distribution invoices.

“Is it organisational culture? My assessment is that the underlying dynamics are entirely different. My theory is that the Women's Magazine Division has been unbelievably competitive in the market, pressure was building. Hopefully we will get to understand exactly why. The Touchline one baffles me. The magazines concerned operate in specified niches and are clear category leaders. Smoothing over figures for a few percentages makes no sense.”

Dealing with the fallout

Brand also confirmed that they had engaged with the international licence holders of the affected titles and were keeping them informed. In Style, the newest and one of the most affected titles by the overstatement of circulation figures by as much as 50%, would be refocused in terms of a new business plan.

With not-so-subtle embeds in their slide presentation running through every slide, stating “Media24 acted quickly and decisively” and “Media24 is doing the right thing”, the group added that its guiding principles in this mess were:
  1. A commitment to transparency: immediately announce the problem and inform stakeholders.
  2. A policy of zero tolerance: to act against transgressors and discipline them accordingly, no matter their seniority.
  3. Compensation for advertisers: to engage advertisers as a matter of urgency regarding compensation.
  4. Commitment to prevention: to formulate and implement measures to prevent a recurrence.
Media24's own forensic audit will be completed by Friday 5 October and the ABC re-audit will begin shortly on all Media24's titles. Disciplinary action will commence against the nine staffers and a programme of boosting staff morale will be implemented. The process of putting in place strict business procedures to ensure that such fraud does not happen again has already begun.

The exco of Media24 will now also break away into smaller groups to address staff in the group and engage face-to-face with all stakeholders. A series of meetings with advertisers affected and media agencies is already taking place.

Whether this will be enough to contain the fallout is another story. With media directors feeling lied to and taken advantage of and other media groups making noises about legal action, it's anyone's guess how long it will take the magazine publishing industry in South Africa, as well as the Media24 brand, to recover from this, one of the biggest media scandals in recent memory.

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Moore the merrier
For your information-
Marc Blachowitz was not the "founder of Touchline" as stated, the original visionary (and also not the original founder) was Rob Moore who turned to football when he found Benny McCarthy and sold him to Ajax for R8million. But it was Rob Moore who did the negotiations for Men's Health, Runner's World and the preliminary negotiations for SHAPE. Marc was an ad sales rep. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 09:14
Founder!-
Even Rob Moore was not the original founder and visionary - it was Richard Whittingdale that started the flagship magazine - SA Sports Illustrated, back in 1986 Posted on 4 Nov 2007 11:06
Cara
Scholtemeyer & kie-
Why did Scholtemeyer & kie not resign? Why do we expect from our goverment top dogs to resign if something wrong goes on in their departments but we dont expect that from our private sector bosses? Double standards if you ask me and that from a media company?? Now juniors must take the blame??
Surely Ms Scholtemeyer must have known and her boss must have been aware what was happening? Dont you think? Posted on 4 Oct 2007 10:48
100%-
yes this is double standards. they want selebi to resign and schometeter - whatever her name is supported by the board. This is a big scandal. if schometeryer was a government minister they will be saying she is useless and ineffective. how can this happen under her nose. SA whites racism is exposed here. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 11:01
You need a reality check...-
When the head of the health department is proven to be a drunk - she is left alone. When her deputy takes the bull by the horn (so to speak) she gets fired...

This has got nothing to do with racism - this has got to do with people who have done wrong having to take responsibility for their actions. Patricia did not inflate figures - the circulation staff and publishers did this. There must be a level of trust in all divisions - Patricia trusted that her staff were honest.

Why dont you get a grip and stop putting all your woes down to racisim - you are obviously one of those under-achievers who expect to sit on your ass and wait for things to drop into your lap. Life does not work like that. Those responsible for the actions must pay - and Patricia was not responsible for this. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 13:14
Flim
Hypocrisy from the Ad and PR sector-
So poor Harry Herber feels betrayed and takes it all very seriously. Shame. His poor clients. The poor PR industry's clients.

Reality check: Without excusing Media24 for what's happened, would the likes of Mr Gerber not like to put their hands up and take responsibility for their role in a general climate of unabashed, utterly unsophisticated expectations that clients have when it comes to media coverage? The same expectations that those representing them bump up and inflate in order to drive their own profit margins?

The amount of pressure that "clients" place on editors, journos and sales staff has gotten completely out of hand. "Added value" has come to mean "you give us coverage or we don't advertise" or clients (and the PR/ad agencies that act on their behalf) constantly talking about "placing" so-called articles/thought pieces/coverage that amount to little more than press releases or ads in themselves.

What about the seemingly-endless threat of pulling advertising when clients don't like the coverage they're getting/not getting? Or what about when they complain about general articles that they don't feel support whatever message it is they're trying to sell people?

When you compare the sort of threatening, lame-assed behaviour from people who don't understand the meaning of the word "newsworthy", you have to wonder why the response to what essentially amounts to a little massaging of the figures seems to be so over the top? Sure, it's wrong, but then most of the ads appearing in these magazines are lying - or at least being economical with the truth - about what their products can do for people too...

It's all part of the same process. We're ALL to blame for this kind of thing. And it's time people accepted that this has happened in a context created by the same people who are now complaining. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 11:12
!!!
Well said-
yesterday I got a call in for an advertiser who said you only get on the schedule if you give us editorial...then the person said oh but your competitor is giving us coverage...

What nonsense!!!! If there is compensation to be paid TLM should work in the amount of forced "coverage" into the mix... Posted on 4 Oct 2007 11:47
yep-
not to mention the discounts clients try squeeze. Everyone likes to f*k everyone here... Posted on 4 Oct 2007 12:15
Fighting for your piece of the cake-
Who said publishing was easy - everyday we beg for our slice of the action, get screwed into the ground by agencies and PR companies, who all want something for nothing, never meet deadlines and critisise most publications, and now when a publishing house does not meet their extremely high standards (Ha Ha) they are looking for heads on silver platters..... I wonder how many of them paid full rate for their adverts in the first place!!! Posted on 4 Oct 2007 12:57
Ed
It's been happening forever-
Sales reps and others have been bumping up circulation figures in their pitches to advertisers forever - and agencies are often at fault for not checking circulation figures and other value propositions. The days of 'give the ad to the chick with the biggest boobs and shortest skirt are not over!'

Admittedly it is rather different to actually cook the audited books, but the industry's shock and amazement is somewhat disingenous! It's been an implicit sales strat at every publishing house I've ever encountered. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 12:42
yeth - they doth proteth too much-
I absolutely agree re the double standards in the PR/advertising industry. They place enormous pressure on editors for placement of products and only then will they consider advertising.
Now they beat their breasts and chests about integrity and honesty. Come on guys - first take that log out of your eye that is blinding you. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 13:09
The eagle
It's going to get very ugly-
Judging by the way this forum is turning, things are going to get very much worse before they get any better. Especially now we are into phase 2 with the ad reps and ad agencies/media buyers sniping at one another. Let's backtrack for a moment:
Blackie gets it in the neck for being CEO of Touchline and fudging five titles with an average of 5% discrepancy (apart from Rob's Wisden, which was a bad idea from the start). And Blackie has become the whipping boy for Patricia, the CEO of Media 24's women's magazines responsible for seven titles of which In Style was guilty of inflating by up to 50%. And the "board back Patricia".
This is crazy, either she is responsible or not. And as CEO she must go. Wait until Blackie gets into the witness box and starts sqwarking about the rum goings on at Media 24. I'd love to see Patrica's expense account claims... Posted on 4 Oct 2007 13:29
Did u hear the one about Scholtemeyer,Manto & Selebi-
Well maybe we should suggest that Patricia, Manto & Selebi have a get together and give a joint statement about how to manage one's department ... Posted on 4 Oct 2007 14:02
A
I use to work at Media24... The stories i could tell...-
I use to work for Media24, and it is my personal view that there is alot wrong in the Organisation of Media24. In family magazines alone, focusing especially on the motoring titles, i would not be surprised if these figures were also discovered to be flase. This is a section of Media24 that is suffering really badly, therefore, just like the womens titles, where there is so much pressure and competition, the figures would be inflated, in order to pick advertising sales up in this sector.
Media24 is company that is not a leader, but a follower, always trying to be like their competitor, but never trying to set their own standards.
If something were to happen to YOU/HUISGENOOT, The magazine division of Media24 would have to close immediately. There is alot that happens behind the scenes at Media24, if only someone were to realise it... the consequences.....

Oh well, this is just my point of view... Posted on 4 Oct 2007 14:11
Realist
Industry amnesia-
Planners plan on readership, not circulation, since when does Printplan work on circulation? I am not condoning what those 9 (Criminal) people did.

The way everyone is attacking Media24 is not right either. That photo Business Day published is DISGUSTING, below the belt and indicates just how truly competitor publishers feel. Remember people: The ball is round and those pointing the figures now may live to regret their vicious glee. If a big giant like Media24 feels the pressure of a declining industry, should we not all be look at what really caused this situation: Unrealistic pressure from ad agencies and increasing fragmenting media scene?

The competitors should be the most worried because if the giant is scared (enough to cheat), then they should be terrified. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 14:43
So its not Manto's mistake, its her department-
So what u say, its not Manto's mistake, its her department ..... Posted on 4 Oct 2007 14:54
anti
Get with the programme-
I'm not sure how familiar you are with industry and what has been said in the past, but let me tell you this there are divisions in Media 24 that have been slating other magazine publishers for years and now its come back to bite them in the ass.

Why should there be sympathy and secondly if other publishers have been audited then why would they be worried?.... Posted on 4 Oct 2007 15:14
Realist - think people THINK
Frightened: look at the why, stop taking pleasure in weakness, ask why it was weak???-
to clarify: the other media owners should be afraid of WHY the giant cheated - DUHH!!! Media fragmentation, threats etc not that their circs are suspect, what I meant here is they should be afraid of the reason behind it - i.e. why winning titles are losing, the future of the print publishing industry ... i.e. if the giant cheated (winner started to loose and did not know how to cope with losing) -even without cheating they are no 1 but reality is print circ is in decline. That's what the lesson is that should be taken from this. But everyone is too damn precious to actually think futher than their jealous noses - they should not be happy that the leading publishing house pulled its pants down, they should all be worried about the future of the print industry as a whole going forwards Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:12
Joss
a very-
good point you have made! Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:51
Dee
Dishonesty folk-
These fakes should thrown to the cleaners. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 14:57
...
?-
seriously how old is this pic of Black? Posted on 4 Oct 2007 15:31
Junior
Time to take a bite-
I've worked at Media24 before and now work at another large publishing group. Fact is, Media24 thinks it is better than the rest; they're in bed with every advertiser; management thinks their titles shine like the sun. Internally, the staff at Media24 actually laugh (yeah) at titles from other houses, considering them the 'poorer cousins' of the industry, probably because their circulation figures are (legitimately) lower. Yep, Media24 is full of pride. Afterall, they illuminate the public with much of their knowledge, powered by all the great university minds in their midst. They'll not admit to having low-circulation publications in their stable that may equate them with lesser entities in the industry. Personally, I don't believe that top management didn't know about this scam. Now they've been exposed as a giant with feet of clay, I hope the advertising industry takes them down a peg or two. They REALLY deserve it. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 16:23
Me
Comment to take a bite-
The fact is that M24 produce great media and the circs of their mags are higher than yours - even with the inflation of sojme figures - even the correct ones are still market leading...you can learn alot from successful business models... Posted on 4 Oct 2007 16:51
Commet to take a bite-
Is that your justification for fraud?????

If they are market leaders then why increase the figures? Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:10
Realist - think people THINK
Heavens you people are thick-
Why did they cheat???? Because they are market leaders, silly bunnies. Winners always cheat because they don't know how it feels to lose.

Even a few thousand copies to such a successful company fee
ls like the end of the world. Because they are competitive and number one and want to be number one (at all costs???). They need to learn how it feels to not always win or have to win. So they've had a big fact lesson in humility. As far as I can see, they are still number one and will rise above it.

It was 9 dishonest people. If management were suspicious they would have stopped this way before it got out of hand. Why is everyone implicating management. Senior heads have rolled due to negligence and those responsible will pay the price.


Manto is a drunk. Patricia is an icon. It is insulting (and plain thick) to compare them in the same breath. Manto is rotten, Patricia has publically weeded out the rot in her dept .... and some of u have the absence of brain cells to slate her for it. That is WRONG WRONG WRONG. She has the guts to be humble and admit to this mistake - she is the one who called for the forensic audit - has nobody out there any brains or memory???? I don't see Manto investigating her own drunkeness or thievery ???????????????

I bet those of you who slate Patricia think she should stay in the kitchen?


Get over your jealosy, people please!!!!!! you hate her because she is strong, why we hate Aussie sport, because truth is : they are better than us. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:24
outsider
another comment-
no I do not work for either actually, rather an interested media party.

My comment wasnt that clear - I meant that even after the correct figures have come out the circluations are still the leaders. No justification, I dont agree with it but you were implying that the titles are only market leaders because the circs are boosted - the correct circs are still higher... Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:37
To ME-
I thing junior is spot on.. Way to go.. Me, you clearly work for Meadi24 or Touchline. So you go do you know what!!! Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:13
I work for M24
who do u work for-
who do you work for? what have you got against people who work for M24? It is 9 criminals, the other 1000 odd people, what have you got against them? Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:34
me
another me-
actually its 9 people against 200 M24 employees Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:45
me
numbers-
9 out of 2000 Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:46
true
M24-
I recently noticed that they won "best company to work for"

You cleared dont work for them andI would love to work for them... Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:40
Thanks for saying you'd like to work at M24-
we like your positive attitude but you'd have to improve your spelling first.

I know people with post graduate Havard qualifications that this very week have said they would give their eye teeth to work with Patricia. Let's face it, Patricia and the Harvard grads don't have the time to post comments on BizComm, it's us poor shmos who aren't good enough to even work at M24 with time on our hands to post Manto comments Posted on 4 Oct 2007 18:44
Log in the Eye?-
Hoist by your own petard!
Is it Harvard or Havard?
Proof-reading helps a bit, you know ... Posted on 5 Oct 2007 08:48
wrong!-
they certainly did NOT win the Deloitte survey - get your facts straight. Posted on 6 Oct 2007 08:27
hear hear
go me, you speak the truth-
hear hear ME Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:42
MPASA'S loss....-
....PS will have to hear her fate by the MPASA Board next week as to whether she will remain as chairperson or not. Ironic isn't it? The last two chairs (after Harold Eedes that is) almost ran the association into the ground and fortunately Patricia was there to pick up the pieces. If Patricia is voted off they might as well close the association down! Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:16
pro PS
What is MPASA-
excuse my ignorance, what does MPASA stand for? out of interest. PS would be a great loss to any industry. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:36
Agency Head
M24-
Lets not forget that M24 hire fantastic people who produce fantastic award winning products. This scandal revolves around 9 people out a huge organisation.

M24 will still be number one and have been very mature by announcing it themselves and dealing with it sensibly. The figures are out, womens mags are pretty bad but TLM the numbers are tiny (2-7%, some even lower and one mag higher).

Either way its good for the industry to have this flushed out and advertisers sound like they will be compensated which is a very good solution by M24 and all aprties concerned.

BUT you can bet the agencies that force PR and discounts will drag this on forever even after they have some of their money back.

Very honouralbe to come clean M24. Keep producing wonderful magazines. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 17:57
best company to work for?
Sensible comment by Agency Head-
Well said, some sense at last. Everyone is attacking M24 yet they are being brave enough to admit to this scandal and ensure the rubbish is flushed out. They will further investigate other types of fraud and flush out corruption. A person who admits to his mistakes gets my vote.

M24 still upholds its principles of honesty and integrity and this scandal is an example of them doing that in action.
Best company to work for and worst company to work for if you're corrupt - they'll pick you out, weed you out and chuck you out!

But I am happy their competitors had a chance to feel superior. Because there won't be many more moments when M24 are the underdog, so everyone must please enjoy this time, cos it's sure to be brief. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 18:38
Reply to agency head-
There is nothing wrong with the other people at media24 but to say they came clean is just plain stupid. They were caught out.. Its as simple as abc.. Its people like yourself and the other idiot that commented to your statement, people are not attacking idividuals, they attacking the company that lied and took away revenue from other titles because of bulshit figures.

So it would turn out to be oh just a little slap on the hand and don't do it again... Crap you don't deserve the accounts you work on, maybe the backhand you getting is to big!!! Posted on 5 Oct 2007 09:12
icr
haha-
taken revenue away form other titles?????

Kick off is under 1%, Shape under 1% some otehr 7% - even if you take th new numbers into consideration we are still the highest circ - go cry somwhere else!@ Posted on 5 Oct 2007 10:52
still agree with agency head
coming clean-
Coming clean yes - PS called for the audit explain how you catch yourself out?

please? I'm an idiot so I need this one explained to me ... slowly and carefully, remeber I am an idiot Posted on 5 Oct 2007 13:36
An independent voice
The bottom line-
The bottom line is, Media 24 is successful despite itself not because of itself. It controls the market as part of a duopoly with Caxtons. It has the magazines, the printers and controls the distribution so the fact that it feels the need to cheat is quite telling. Actually it is quite insecure in the magazine dept. Listen to all those smug M24 employees before me who can barely spell properly championing their "great" magazines. (It's "high teeth" not eye teeth you moron). Media24 hasn't got an original idea in its collective head. It has to buy them, copy them or license them from another country. It is basically common-denominator journalism produced by battery journalists stuck like battery hens in crap offices at Naspers towers. And despite its bleatings there are no ethics or loyalty. Look at how they shafted Ramsay Son & Parker after a 30 year relationship. Can you imagine the fantastic magazines they should be producing??? If they had anyone with half a creative brain they would be seriously leading the way with innovative new magazines every three years instead of trying to give Fair Lady another kiss of life. It needs to do something radical and fast. Posted on 4 Oct 2007 19:48
a loyal M24 employee
Comment to Independent voice-
your voice sounds very Independent, like INC Independent. The low common denominator journalists you speak of speak very successfully to the masses, being fancy and taking yourselves so seriously is what drives the readers away. What the hell is high teeth???? Posted on 4 Oct 2007 20:53
Moron
Idioms for idiots-
give your eye teeth for something (informal, informal)
if you would give your eye teeth for something, you would very much like to have or be that thing. I'd give my eye teeth for a house like that. Most women would give their eye teeth to be tall and thin like you.



I think this is a clear case of the pot calling the kettle black - you moron !!!! Posted on 4 Oct 2007 21:00
M24er
answer to this-
is that you have been unsuccessful in your attempt to work for M24 and any of its businesses...must be hard being second best hey? If you dont have the skill or experience to work for us thats your problem...

We who work at M24 love it and know we are market leaders and your comments are just jealousy. Posted on 5 Oct 2007 08:45
Question to M24er-
I'm not sure what you've read, but the "market leader" has just been caught with his pants down.. We not commenting on the employees of company, but the ethics. Some of the mags will always be market leaders, but comment is irrisponsible, how can a magazine like Wisden who claimed 11 000 be a leader when they only sell 4 000 against whoever publishes SA Cricket's 14 000...

Think before you just get angry mate! Posted on 5 Oct 2007 09:24
b
agree-
to your point, Im meaning holistically that the amgazines are "market leaders' but your eg of Sa Crick is correct. Posted on 5 Oct 2007 10:54
Country has ethical issue, not confined to M24-
the country has an ethics problem, not just M24.

As the media company that is most in tune with the SA market (i.e. most successfully communicates to South Africa hence draws the largest audiences) , it is unsurprising that an ethical issue would pop up. We need look at the ethics of every South African - we are a country at war with ourslves Posted on 5 Oct 2007 13:31
Flim
Forget M24 for a minute-
And let's look at what this actually means in terms of the industry as a whole. People are criticising content and lack of innovation in magazines - but it's the advertisers who are killing off the quality. Has everyone forgotten what Ann Donald said about pressure from advertisers compromising quality when she left Fairlady? For advertisers, it never seems to be enough for them to be associated with intelligent, high-quality writing - all they want is sycophantic coverage for themselves. We're in the worst kind of chicken-and-egg situation. And kicking M24 when it's down doesn't solve any of the problems we're all facing. Posted on 5 Oct 2007 09:37
charmer
Good fun though, eh?-
Yes, but kicking Media 24 when its down is tremendous fun though, don't you think? Posted on 5 Oct 2007 10:19
ht
Silly-
to knock the company that you would love to work for :) Posted on 5 Oct 2007 11:02
Charmer 2
Been there, done that, luckily didn't get a M24 T-shirt-
Why seriously would anyone love to work at M24? The talent pool is mediocre, the titles are mediocre, the pay is not great and management is half-asleep (If Patricia says she didn't know what was going on, don't you think she should have?) Hello! You are all kidding yourselves that M24 pees eau de cologne when its more like Pepsi Lite Posted on 5 Oct 2007 11:35
hg
haha-
pay is great, benefits fantastic, titles superb - sounds like you werent good enough to keep Im afraid Posted on 5 Oct 2007 11:48
M24 people are regular down to earthers-
the people are also really nice, rather down to earth. i actually find them more humble than at other media owners so don't know why everyone is attacking them, must be jealousy. Maybe talent seems mediocre but that is the skill - talking to the "mediocre" masses, quality won't get you a big audience, just a pompous sense of superiority Posted on 5 Oct 2007 13:27
People great, salaries etc. not so great-
First of all, there is nothing wrong with the people working for media24 - apart from some managers. But do yourself a favour and venture outside the pond - you will see that your salaries and benefits are somewhat mediocre for the hours you are expected to put in. Not to mention the blind loyalty expected for commands issued by your masters' voices. Posted on 6 Oct 2007 15:23
Mbulelo
Will saga affect BEE share performance?-
I would like to know what Media24 is planning on doing about the Black Empowerment shares that were sold to black people across the country because I’m one of those people who bought share with them. Do you think this saga will affect the share performance and did they mention anything along those lines? Posted on 5 Oct 2007 12:49
Little people taking the fall-
The junior staff are taking the fall in the Women's Division all for taking instructions from their managers. When they speak up they are told that they must shut up and do what they are told! Now they are being branded as criminals!!!!!! Posted on 6 Oct 2007 09:01
The Truth-
Am sure many of the people being taken on in disciplinary internal hearings would welcome the opportuity to testify under oath in court about what really went down. Then there will be no fibbing to cover any reputations. The Truth is Out There Scully ... Posted on 6 Oct 2007 15:30
Great people-
All in all and with all the/their faults, I still much rather deal with the Media24 crowd than any of the others in the industry.

I do however agree that this problem needs to be sorted out and I dont believe juniors should take the fall.

Carry on doing great work against all the odds this will also blow over. Tomorrow is another day. Posted on 6 Oct 2007 10:16
Thanks for the support-
Thanks for supporting us Juniors - we need all the support we can get. Posted on 6 Oct 2007 12:13
M24 employee
Media24 asks for forgiveness-
We know what happened here is atrocious. We are so embarassed that this happened in our company. We hope the industry can forgive us Posted on 6 Oct 2007 12:30
so who won the rugby??-
oh we did, yehaaaa Posted on 8 Oct 2007 20:43
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